What Does Automation of Law Enforcement Mean For The Future?
Are we ready for full enforcement of all laws?
Will we like the future we are creating?
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Hey everyone it’s Dr. Sean, welcome to another edition of the financial transactions or the future economy.
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Where we look at the very important things that are happening in our world in a shape the future economy.
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Gear to business leaders like yourself. So whether you’re an executive in a company you own a company or you’re somehow taking a leadership role or business. We’re going to get the information and news.
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That you need to make the informed decisions. What we want to talk about today is automated law enforcement. So this is becoming a big topic.
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Really going to have a lot of impact on the future economy, particularly with respect to data privacy all things that
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The public sector should be dealing with was gonna have a lot of push on the private sector as well. So it’s important that we dig into it and understand what’s going on.
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By way of background, I am the are shot. I’m an attorney. I work with companies on private corporate transactions. A little bit of public company work but
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working properly set up ownership structures equity mergers contracts negotiations, anything that touches on the ownership and control business. That’s my co host dolly craft store.
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Also, I’m a CPA. He’s a CPA. He’s also works to the CFO companies and has certifications is evaluated value.
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Valuation Analyst and as a fraud examiner. So we are financial guys and we read about this stuff all the time. We’re in a community of financial people you’ll see from a lot of our guests.
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That we talked finance all the time, read about it, talk to people about it and we bring it to you.
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Our promise to you is after the show. You have a better understanding what’s happening a future law enforcement some amazing technologies coming out, which has a lot of implications, a lot of different directions. And we’re going to dive into that.
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We remind folks, we don’t give investment advice on the show or legal advice, go to your own advisors for that, and we’d love your comments are dropping
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Comments. Well, that’s our show. McBride on LinkedIn, Dolly chronister on LinkedIn or Twitter feeds McBride for business future. We’re always looking for what you’re saying.
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What’s going on there because we want to understand what’s going on community. What you’re seeing and possibly future topics.
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So with that, Dolly, let’s jump into this a little bit here. You know what’s been going on with police and monitoring of private citizens, particularly here in the US.
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Sean a lot is going on. Happy Friday to you. Good.
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Morning, um, you know, I think what’s so interesting. As we were focused on all these other countries, and we’re seeing with China’s going into the surveillance state we
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came at you the other day with this fascinating number of 170 million. That’s how many CCTV or watching China citizens and watching every move.
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But what’s interesting. If we look at who is the real leader of the free world. Who is the real leader that created all the technology that allows this
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Who is the country that has all of the professionals and the ecosystems and the roads and the infrastructure that already could actually have all of this setup and the answer is the US.
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We are always ahead of all these other countries. And so if they’re at 170 million CCTV cameras and they can do all this, I would then say, well,
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The idea is that we’re probably 10 years ahead of them, and we just aren’t being told that
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So whether that’s a good thing or a bad thing. That’s what we’re trying to explore and go down that rabbit hole and but I think me and you both agree that education and the regular in a democracy, people do need to have some understanding of how much surveillance is really going on.
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Yeah, I mean, there’s, there’s some aspect of privacy. That’s important. Right. And that’s been there and
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But also at the same time, we really do need to have this conversation. And I don’t think these conversations are happening in the public sector right now. I mean, they’re happening behind closed doors.
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certainly understand the need for secrecy, particularly when you have some kind of cutting edge technology or something innovative or, you know, even you sometimes you just want to
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Be doing things a certain way. You don’t want everybody knowing the way you do it, so it can’t be counteracted rights are certainly law enforcement reasons to keep this private
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The big news that came out recently was talking about cameras and cameras specifically tracking cars and license plates.
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And they talked and Washington Post article on it interviewed DEA agent and they said these cameras are everywhere. So they’re already in existence. They’ve already been rolled out there, building a large national database of license plates.
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So they know where everybody’s driving what everybody’s doing and they’re theoretically throwing that into some kind of machine learning and looking for who to
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Who to follow or who might be doing something unusual. I don’t know what else you would do with that kind of database Dahlia
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You’re going to building up this repository of information they’re using it for something they’re using it for some law enforcement purpose.
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But we didn’t even know about this in any degree until recently, the extent of it is just starting to become clear that this is big.
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And then the other big news that came out recently is Orlando. They’ve been testing recognition cameras throughout the city.
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And it looks like they’re extending their program with Amazon, and that’s something you’ll start seeing over and over again that we keep seeing is
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You know, it’s kind of the same big players over and over again. And all of this world. It’s Google. It’s Amazon, you know, Microsoft, the big players are everywhere. And there are a lot there in everything tech. So how does this impact us as citizens, Dolly.
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Well, I think the first step is, it makes us kind of look within, and look to
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Say, what is it that society is doing, what are the requirements to develop a really strong society. What is the path to the future.
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Not only ensure safety among the citizens and a fair playing field among businesses and contract law and all that other stuff. But also, at what level. Can you cross the boundary
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That you can say, hey, we can seize this because we have suspicion of, you know, money laundering, or we can shut down all of your bank accounts and lock you out until further notice. While we investigate a certain situation.
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Um, you know, I think the big boys and the big companies kind of that you just alluded to, so your Amazon’s and Facebook’s what they do is they spread their money across the world.
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So there’s no there’s no real jurisdictional risk in the sense that if one jurisdiction were to say, hey, you’re we don’t like the way your plan. We’re going to shut you down until further notice. And
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You know, do some do some investigations with a problem at the regular person level if you somehow fall into that category. And especially unknowingly
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Well, all of a sudden, you don’t have a backup plan, you do have jurisdictional risk you you know don’t have money, you know, spread across the world. You don’t have assets spread across the world.
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If the US government says you are a threat to society and wants to freeze all of your assets they can do it instantly.
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That’s, I think,
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Yeah, I remember, I remember, you know, very distinctly in my legal practice.
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We at one point had a group come in there and they had
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They, you know, potentially get involved in a fraudulent scheme it and you know from their accounts. It was other people that were fraudsters they’ve been funded by fraudsters
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When the government came in they froze all the bank accounts and these individuals were sitting in our office.
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Saying you know. Well we’re here we’ve got this government investigation, our bank accounts are frozen our employees are back at the office and we got to make payroll on Friday.
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I mean that that’s that’s a real issue right i mean this this company supposedly was invested in by fraudsters
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And now they can’t make payroll and also you know we talked about due process. Right. The idea is everybody’s gonna have their attorney everybody’s gonna have their advocate.
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Well, when they freeze all your assets, how do you pay for an attorney, you know the answer, usually at this case is the the
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The attorneys will tell you is you got to go to your family. You got to find a brother or a sister or mother or father somebody who wasn’t in the freeze.
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It can fund your legal expenses, because you’re, you’re, you can’t because all your assets have been frozen put you in a very precarious position.
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To respond to the government because you have no assets you are essentially broke. Well, regardless of how much money you had before the incident happened so
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These, these are big when they come, they’re big and, you know, the risk, I guess, is that with all these databases and tracking that somebody pops pops up the wrong way. Right.
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Maybe you’re engaging incent behavior or maybe you’re doing an innovative business, it doesn’t fit the mold.
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And, you know, let’s say you have a delivery business and you’re driving all around town. Maybe your maybe you’re delivering in a particular neighborhood.
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And this license plate camera says, Well, that looks like a drug dealing activity because that’s consistent with how a drug dealer drives around the neighborhood and your flag right
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I mean it’s it’s very possible right Dolly.
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Yeah, I totally see that shot and then to your last point, you know, as far as who pays for, you know, and you freeze the bank account. I can’t make payroll who really pays for that.
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That’s what we call collateral damage. So now you have innocent people that are being affected by law enforcement and seizure and all these other things in the sense that
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All those people that were going to get paid now have their Assets freezed through the company. So everybody’s frozen.
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Maybe we don’t make mortgage. Maybe we don’t you know, who knows what happens in those situations, and then also to the family.
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Situation where if your assets are frozen.
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You know, not only are you, your family required to pay legal costs for you. They’ve got to bail you out. They’ve got to pay the phone bill to go back and forth to the jail, whatever they got to pay the commentary
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And most of those are very, very bad rates. They’re not at fair market value, nothing. So once you enter the system.
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It becomes a whole different game you’re it’s a whole different game of rules. It’s a different playing field. It’s a lot of bureaucracy, a lot of government employees, a lot of strict handbooks that say you can do this or not.
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But to your second point, as far as the surveillance piece. What’s very scary about that is, okay, well, maybe you’re an innocent person that’s been picked out and the machine made a mistake or
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You know the analytics just didn’t add up so you you get caught in the crosshairs but the big problem is what if you’re a compact compact competing business to a government official
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What if you are you know there’s somebody out there that you when you were 19 years old.
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You know you somebody off or you stole their girlfriend and now they’re in a position of power and now they’ve been watching you for 20 years so it’s following you like a scarlet letter.
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And now they have the ability to because they have a power move, they can actually do something. So I think this becomes the big threat Sean is that we have
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That people can gain
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Like exposure to the system and then use it to their own benefit, rather than to society’s benefit.
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Yeah, I think there’s a very real possibility of abuse and corruption, right, because we’re
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We’re creating so much power in one thing and you know the if you look at our basic constitutional system any
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Any elementary student who’s taken civics will tell you the US is most most, the most to be based on checks and balances right we got this system checking this system balancing the system, the judiciary, the Congress and the executive branch.
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You know, the reality of the technology as you’re putting a lot of power in the police and the executive monitoring part of the world that maybe even the Congressional doesn’t know about certainly the judiciary has very little sale until after the fact.
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You’ve really concentrate a lot of power in few hands. And then within the executive branch, you know, which is where law enforcement falls under the executive executing laws.
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Usually that that has a very quick pyramid. And so you end up with a lot of people that are on the street enforcing the law. You got a pyramid. You have some very, very powerful people
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In the executive system so you end up with, you know, leadership, you know, spread out throughout the country of very powerful people that could, you know, like you say abuse the system.
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And there’s so much information within the system that even a lower level person if they can get if they have access to the database. They have a lot of power to
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Yeah. And doesn’t that cause a problem with stocking. So I think guys say we have
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A dispute between a boyfriend or a girlfriend, her husband and a wife and somebody has access to this information and cannot track every move that they do.
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Have potentially be involved in their life going forward because they have this access
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So it really says, Will, should this be controlled by an AI or some, you know, other you know governance system that isn’t a human. And, you know, maybe that’s the answer. And maybe that’s where all this heads.
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But you know another thing here. Sean is what’s so interesting is when we see the new out there, we see things that while everybody says, Wow, this is new tech. This is new. Usually it’s not so new.
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It probably goes back maybe thousands of years. And so the sort of the idea of the surveillance state has been one of the hottest topics in the world ever since the you know the 1950s. I mean, you hear from the last generation that great generation.
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That lived through World War Two, about the cold war with the USSR and how they were hiding under their desks in school and had all these drills. Well, why
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Because it was a word spies. And so it was a complete surveillance state that was happening. And so everybody was trying to, you know, keep tabs on these other countries and what they’re doing, and in my opinion.
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It hasn’t slowed down. It’s only escalated. So we have seen like it looks like we’re not at war.
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And it looks like you know these countries are all working peacefully, but it is my opinion that there’s a spies dispersed throughout the world. Every major country.
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As spies and every other major country, and we actually don’t know who is who. And so that’s another risk to the state and why they’re doing what they’re doing.
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But I think all countries are doing this.
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Right. Yes. Because turning the eyes internally. So what’s what’s interesting when you look at the 50s and 60s. We certainly knew there was a lot of surveillance going on we suspected the surveillance was happening by the
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Right, the you know the the ASR 71 Blackbird program the YouTube right so we’re
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You know, we were just watching Russia, the USSR constantly right we just kept an eye on on waiting area and everybody kind of knew it. Right. I mean, it was not talked about a lot. It was not publicly discussed, but
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Everybody knew we were watching them and presumably they were watching us everybody’s watching people on the outside. Now what’s interesting is an ominous everybody’s watching everybody on the inside.
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You know, you’re not. You’re looking. What are your people doing well, how was your, you know, and this, this creates a very interesting question because you certainly China.
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Is showing great coordination their policy and a lot of people
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Look at their forward thinking they’re building huge airport, you know, the Belt, One Road initiative, which will be talking about later today.
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Folks, you’re catching this live or shortly thereafter go with go to future done right calm and click the link and join us live for that discussion, because we very interesting but
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You know, child, the Belt and Road initiative right there building is huge, massive infrastructure with long term implications.
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building these cities that you know they built what people call ghost cities, but a lot of cases or cities they build
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They complete all the infrastructure, then they move the people in which is a completely different way of thinking. Then what we do in the West, because it
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creates greater long term planning it requires more centralization and of course requires huge capital investments from the government. So this is the way chat right there. They’re pulling in a very long way and that requires coordination of people
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On people are excited about the over here in the US and Europe. We don’t. We tend not to be as coordinated, we think of freedom, we think of liberty, we think of individuality.
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And these notions. But, you know, the government is is challenged, sometimes by the freedom because it means law enforcement challenges. It’s harder to watch
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And you may have people who who slow down the wheels of progress for whatever the official policy is so it’s a different fundamental way of thinking about our people, but
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You know, I see the Chinese surveillance technology and then the leaks of the US stuff. It looks like for what we’re seeing the US is like you say, well ahead of the game.
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Yeah, and Sean, you just brought up such a good point on about the CCP and the coordinated efforts of China, and we were digging really deep into this because it’s it’s a little confusing. It’s such a huge country.
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There’s a saying that the kingdom is great, but the but the leader is far, meaning that you know there’s a lot of different action happening between the city states and China, but now it seems the coordination of this new
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They basically have this new social scoring system that we’ve talked about and so everything’s being now centralized and coordinated and so everybody is also moving to digital money and so
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The two major players in that digital money or Alibaba in 10 cents. So you have Ali pay and
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10 cent pay or something like that. And I think the number is increasing up to like 80 or 90% of all transactions are now going through those two portals. Well, guess what.
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Ali Baba just recently jack ma had to sign over a bunch of the shares to the CCP government. And then there’s this other conspiracy that’s happening. If you are a billion or major entrepreneur in China.
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Two things happen. You either go to jail or you get errors. You know, you die some mysterious death, we’ve had the Interpol chief who has disappeared. We have these
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Dissonance here in the US billionaires that are kind of whistleblowing on some of this activity.
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But what’s really interesting if everybody’s using 10 cent Alibaba, and the government is controlling those huge tech companies.
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Well, they don’t only have access to all the data they need for their social scoring system, but they have all the access to all of the spending.
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And so they’re actually being able to build full interfaces and profiles of people based on their spending habits. And actually if they go to Alibaba and say we need this information.
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Alibaba has to give it to them. They’re an owner. They own the company they own all the people
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So it’s the US. If you look back. Well, they have had this big fight with that. But we want the data. It’s not your data, you know, there’s a privacy thing. We got to go through the courts. So it’s slower.
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So it’s going to be interesting to see you know how these to balance out as China’s trying to just push it down the funnel and us actually has to work with people.
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Right. And then, this may play into the work world for AI to because you know we’ve talked a lot about that with, you know, a lot of countries and
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I don’t know why, but the US US doesn’t talk in terms of competing internationally, you know, Germany, just said they’re going to put $3 billion into AI.
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They view it as a competition, they said, We’re behind China we’re buying us we’re putting 3 billion in because we want to catch up to the competition. Right.
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So most of the world countries are viewing AI as a competition to us. I don’t hear that term as much. I don’t hear the US people saying we’re competing
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Certainly the Chinese view themselves as competing for what we can tell you know they they they want to win this war Russia wants to win the World
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Kuhn has said that the country that controls AI controls the world. So, you know, Russians of the AI competition being quiet, like we’ve talked about in other episodes. You can check those out of future done right calm.
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Most of the world’s in this competitive environment and think about the competitive advantage of China, when they can get to that level of data. Right. Their AI is
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MORE EMPOWERED because they don’t have privacy. And I think, you know, that may be part of what’s going on behind the scenes here is
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The Americans are saying, look, we you know we got to use. We got to use surveillance and whatever we can get so we can keep up with the other guy. I don’t know.
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Because, you know, we haven’t been privy to those conversations. But there’s a lot going on in the space. And I think we really gotta pay careful attention to it because it’s shaping the future of our society and how this information is us will have major implications on on the future.
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Yeah, it should, I think, you know, a simple call to action here is just Coca Cola look at George Orwell’s, you know, fascinating books. They’re super short.
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Brave New World is, you know, they’re not also bad totalitarianism in 1984 is terrible. But if you go back to brave new world.
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There’s an argument there everybody looks beautiful and young and Mills happy and so is this the society that we’re actually kind of creating anyways because isn’t
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One of the biggest investments in the world. Chemical inducement and so we have this huge pharmaceutical business about making people happy.
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Getting them through their day. So we have all of these solutions that are chemical imbalance solutions. Well, that’s what’s so my is in
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Brave New World. So if everybody’s just happy and good and beautiful and young. Well, they don’t have to really worry about these issues, right, Sean. They can just interact into it and let somebody else make the decisions for them.
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So is that where we’re headed. I’m not sure but I would say everybody stayed very aware and if there’s is a world where you want to have a voice will then you better stand up. Now today and start learning
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Yeah, that’s going to be key to get into the table right now all indications are the key to being part of the future of the world is to be in the know, and be part of the conversation so
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Jump in, folks, you know, our goal is to wake people up hopefully you’ve seen that, you know, we asked you, like, comment, share let other people know what’s going on out there.
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Get them into the conversation they make them part of the future as well. The more people we can get into this future, the better it’s going to be
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Guys, we’re looking for interns guys and girls were looking for interns. So if you know somebody who’s motivated interested in the future wants to dig into the research really get to know thing be on the ground of the future. We’d love to talk to them planning done right comm slash interns.
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We need you folks.
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Yeah, looking for a handful of great people to jump in.
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Don’t forget, we have our comment contest while you’re like commenting, and sharing we’re reading those comments so that really insightful comments we look for. We’d like guests in off of the comments so
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join in on that you can see me in Dally at LinkedIn, Twitter McBride for business, YouTube, you know, like it.
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Join follow. Tell your friends. The more people subscribe, the better because more people are getting this word out to the more people making part of this movement Dolly. Do you have a quote for us.
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I do shy and this one actually comes from one of my favorite online writers trying to bring you just some fresh cool stuff that you can discover
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His name is Daniel Jeffries, he’s a really good writer and crypto and just life in general on the article is Big Brother meets Black Mirror in the Middle Kingdom, I highly recommend you search that look for it.
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Here’s the first quote you may think you’re Facebook’s customer, but you’re not advertisers or Facebook’s customers, you’re the product.
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Yeah, um, second one is that’s and this relates to the first one. That’s because the business of the internet is surveillance.
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Next one, our social media platforms are really nothing but stealth surveillance platforms. Keep that in mind with what you post and
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You know all the stuff that you’re building out there and your online port your portfolio that could follow you like a scarlet letter and it already is affecting a lot of people’s lives. So
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The last one. In the end, there’s no cage that can cold, the human spirit. So I think that’s a real takeaway here guys. Yep.
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So guys, congrats on doing the hard work for thinking about these issues for being part of the future. We look forward to your comments.
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And we remind you there’s more videos at future done right calm, you can see a couple of things there. You’ll see our past videos. Lots of interesting guests and lots of commentary about breaking it that
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So jump in the conversation. We’re looking forward to having you as part of the next step. Thanks.
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Sean. Sean real quick. Where are we, we’re doing a special edition tomorrow 7am a new a new
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YouTube special and then also on Thanksgiving Day. We’re going to do in nine to 11 just a crazy just bring your questions. Let’s talk, even if it’s legal and CPA stuff. We’ll talk any current events future events, bring us
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So the morning when you get, get your turkey and in the oven and we’ll start talking to you. Alright.
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