Learning vs. Education – analytical skills for today’s economy in a factory-type educational system
What is going wrong with the educational system today?
Why are graduates struggling?
What can we do differently?
Join The Our Shawn McBride ⭐️ 🌟💥 (aka R. Shawn McBride)nd Dali Kranzthor, CPA, CVA, CFE for the Financial Transactions of the Future Economy(TM) Show as we explore what we are seeing and what we need for the future.
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Hey everyone to see our Sean, welcome to another edition of the financial transactions of the future economy.
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Today we’re going to be continuing our one going discussion of education versus learning such an important topic.
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That we’ve decided to stop periodically once a month and talk about the differences between education and learning and we think there is a distinct difference between the educational system.
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And the actual process of learning. So we’re not here to criticize anybody, but we’re here to make people think about what works and what doesn’t work.
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For those of you tuning in, you know, been a while or first time TUNING IN ON THE are Sean
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I’m a corporate lawyer by training. I’ve worked with businesses whenever they does deal with ownership and control says partnership agreements, that’s mergers.
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Capital raises everything touches on the ownership and control the business on there helping heal the legal side. I also do speaking on business strategy work licenses a CPA.
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My co host dolly craft stores also licensed as a CPA acts as a CFO of companies.
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And additionally has certifications as evaluation analysts and as a fraud examiner. So we’re financial guys through and through. We’re looking at the future. We do a lot of reading
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Interacting with people having guests on this financial transaction of the future economy show and doing a whole host of activities.
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That support this focus on the future economy. So today we want to bring you some lessons about what we’re seeing.
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For the future and what we think the future may hold, particularly with education versus morning so our promise for you is at the end of the show a better understanding of what the issue is between education and learning and what you should be doing.
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Reminder no investment advice, their legal advice. Everything we do on here is just for your education to give you some background ideas go talk to your own advisors before you take specific actions based on the things we’re discussing today so Dolly. Welcome to the show.
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Oh, you’re muted, sir.
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Sorry about that. Sean, I like to mute during the introduction. So it doesn’t switch screens. Good morning. Happy Friday to you.
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Good to see you. Yeah.
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My morning water.
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Nice my December resolution to kick off the show is to learn more and December and do less education. There you go.
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Okay. Well, it sounds like a great resolution. So let’s break it down as we have a past shows. Let’s talk about their screen learning and education. So what do you see that as
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Well, this is an ongoing debate. It’s, again, I almost see this education thing as a validation process. And so how much validation. Do we need anymore. And should you just go do whatever you’re going to do.
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Based on what I see more and more if you want to, you know, go do a show like we’re doing
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There’s so many educational sources out there to get you jump started it so much research that you can never possibly get through it all.
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So why are we having to still go through all these validation processes and is it going to be something that’s required in the future. And so
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You know, we’re talking about disrupting everything or Sean, we’re talking about maybe throwing everything out trying to rebuild this and figure out what would be the best way
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The problem with the system now is we keep like
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You know, which what we call throw in a meatball on a Sunday. So we have this really yummy Sunday and it tastes really good and say, hey, we have this new technology.
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Let’s just take these old legacy systems will throw a meatball on it and then we expected to taste good, and to be good. And it turns out they don’t work like that, you have to
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Periodically, go back and rebuild and rethink this stuff out.
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The big problem with this is that it threatens jobs. It threatens people in power threatens government positions.
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Because if you say, well, we’re going to kind of throw out a lot of this old stuff. Well, everybody that’s associated with the old stuff is probably out. And so here comes the new regime.
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So this is kind of the debate that’s going on the regulators trying to slow down stuff.
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The entrepreneurs and forward thinker speeding things up. Usually the free markets, when
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So I think you said you just signed up for masterclasses. So to me, that’s one of the best new educational sources, you’re getting information right from the best of the best. Like these are global teachers scalable.
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So no, you know, why sit in a classroom when you can be face to face with people you respect and want to learn from
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Yeah, I mean I get no degree. I mean, I’m now yeah now signed up for Master Class I play those sessions I listened to a lot of tapes and learning from people that are successful in different endeavors and master class has been amazing.
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Getting these takeaways I don’t get a certificate. I don’t get a degree.
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But it’s stuff that I can immediately take that learning and I can apply it in the business and the work that we’re doing right so its immediate benefit.
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One of the things I think the old educational system was very much built on, you know, the assembly line the production system. Right. I mean, as it morphed in the 20th century.
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Particularly early 20th century, the educational system became about input in raw materials and finished products out right and we think about it like like you would look at Henry Ford’s production line right
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Bunch of stuff, you know, gets delivered to the plan and and the car moves along the line, and when the car comes out the other end, you’ve got an automobile.
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And that’s kind of the way we thought about students right like we start them out there, they’re young, they need help they need to learn. We teach them how to read and write and give us some books. We do some reading and writing with them.
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You know, maybe they go to college, they go through a curriculum. There they come out the other end and they got a stamp of approval.
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Wow, you’re an accountant now. Wow, you know, you’re now an English major. You’ve got all these studies in English or whatever you come out the other end is a finished product.
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Part of the problem today is there is no finished product, right. We’re now in a world of incremental learning incremental improvement.
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And there really is no finish right and and it’s not it’s not practical for people, given the way our society structured right now to
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Be in the workforce, then go back and do a large block of education that go back to the workforce and and do a block education to need to be integrated
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To make sense, right, and everything you learn in in everything you learned that have been applied to what you’re doing. So I think our old education system of having these finished projects treating people like widgets. It’s just not working today.
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Sean I couldn’t agree more with you on all these points. You know, I think the funny thing is, we talked a lot about regulators. We talked a lot about
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You know, regulators kind of getting in the way of innovation. And so if you look at the whole education process. It is basically just a giant
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Supply chain and regulators, because you’ve got, how did the textbook, get in the room. Well, it was approved by somebody that said, hey, this is a good textbook and
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We updated it and there’s these tiny little things. So what happens is you kind of stifle and you say, well, this is what’s allowed in the classroom.
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We hear a lot of teachers that complain and say, I can’t even teach my kids anymore because I’m so focused on standardized tests that if we don’t pass those tests, then we don’t get the high rating.
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And if we don’t get the high rating. We don’t get the right funding.
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So it really messes up the whole reason why we’re in the classroom. So the end product should be that people are coming out enlightened smarter passionate
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Have some idea of where they want to go in life, how they want to be part of this community in this society.
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And instead, we do exactly like you said we create a whole bunch of assembly line workers and then we expect them to somehow you know self evolve and
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You know, make it out there in the world. So that’s when I believe the learning really starts. So this is a caveat to all of you people out there that are doing school
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That are going through the old traditional system, you must automate your education. Now, it’s not even a choice. You must take what they teach you in the classroom and then you must go learn the real world to and then you need to mesh those together.
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We are entering a time where I would rather hire somebody that doesn’t have college and train them and then hire somebody that does have college and
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Have to pay them 50 or $60,000 right out of the gate because I could start with an intern very, very cheap and get them to that $50,000 role and have a killer.
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You know, somebody knows the industry that knows everything, because I taught that I’m the teacher and I didn’t have to rely on another teacher. I know how my processes are. I know how my internal documentation needs to look
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So, you know, I’m going to rely on myself and I would rather say hey, come in, started 10 bucks an hour. Learn the see if you like it, you might not even like it, Sean.
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And then as like stage three, four years down the road. Just the same as a college education you come out on the other end and you are a awesome accountant. You know how to do things. You know how to talk to clients.
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I am so tired of people coming out of college and you say, hey, go get this, go get that. And they’re like, what
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Like I don’t I don’t know any of this stuff yet they want health insurance. They want a $50,000 salary. So this is out. This is old and I don’t even know how much longer we have for this Sean, I mean, maybe we have five more years seven more years.
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But this is a time to start thinking now. Do I even need these things, or should I start training for what I want to do you know 1516. I mean, get my own books right my own books you want to really learn folks, write a book.
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On the, you know, that’s the word a spark start happy because it forces you to find your own you know your own self to create a product
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Yeah, I think there’s a lot to that, you know, and I think there’s something to be said for, you know, getting, you know, getting that internal education going
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And you’re right. I mean, the old system was based on promises.
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From a highly structured system where you know you went to the accounting school you got your accounting degree and then you came out and you got your $50,000 years and health insurance benefits right it’s just
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It’s the way the system was built, and everybody everybody expected at structural hold up last structures falling apart.
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The law firms accounting firms are saying, hey, these people don’t help us right we need skills we need skills deliver not
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Not this massive information that it’s not applied and you know I’ve heard from
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Private Equity folks, you know, they hire people fresh out of college to come join our private equity fund and they’re like, Go research this company and
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You know the graduates don’t know how to do basic research, they can’t go dig in and ask questions and figure out, well, what doesn’t connect and what connects
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And it’s very frustrating to them because you know what they want is they want people that can think and can analyze where you can say, hey, go look at XYZ company look at XYZ industry and give me a report back about what’s going on at XYZ company and what’s going on in the industry.
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And the kids say, well, I know how to assemble paperwork. I know how to put together reports I just spent the last, you know, high school and my college years.
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Putting together reports and assembly information for other people. But if somebody hasn’t already put together and I can’t just assemble it in some fashion.
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I don’t know what to do.
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Mm hmm. Yeah. And it’s a lot of this has it goes back to the dissemination of information, Shawn. So it used to be that it was hard to get the information when I started accounting. We had a huge library. There was a key to that library.
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You could only check in and check out books because they were so expensive. They had, you know, you couldn’t just take them home. You had to say, hey, I’ve verified that I did that, that’s all gone.
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We all have logins to more information than we could ever know. And our clients have that same information at their fingertips.
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So that has changed in the fact that, why have we not created a new accounting school, for instance, that is integrated with the accounting practice. Why are these ideas not happening that
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We say, you know what you want to go be an accountant. Well, the first two years of your education is working in an accounting office, you’re still studying your pain.
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You’re doing all this stuff, but you’re actually doing real work.
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You’re part of the community you’re learning. You know what that community is and then you still have time to change.
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Oh I you know accounting was wrong. I didn’t like accounting, but I worked in the marketing department on a project with one of the people and I really love that. I think I’m going to go that route. So let’s put on that program.
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There are so many different facets of business to just say this is what I want to do and this is how I do it forever is out the door. We talked about this a lot. Sean that specialization is gone.
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You’re going to have to constantly evolve. You have to have the mindset that is a constant learning mindset. And, you know,
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At the end of the day, that’s actually quite exciting because when you’re continually learning. You’re actually growing as a person and you can
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You know, basically really evolved and so a lot of these people that say, Hey, I’m done learning. I just do a job here.
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You know that stop that stifles innovation, you know, you want to personally go out there and be challenged every single day and you’re not being challenged. It’s actually stealing from you.
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Yeah, exactly. You know, it’s interesting to have a conversation with somebody yesterday on LinkedIn.
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And, you know, they were saying, hey, I thought my career was going to go this way. But I ended up over here and i think that’s that’s the norm now right and we need to have
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Diversified skill basis, we need to be in touch with the market in touch with what people need and then evolve, because we God is the day where we can sit there and just, you know, know which direction where to go get on to a pave path and just go forward. That’s coming to an end, there’s
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Many, many people
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Had their careers disrupted. Right. I came in there and I was going to do this. And that’s what my plan was
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And lo and behold, they found that you can’t you can’t they lost. They lost her footing or I mean their company downsized OR THE INDUSTRY CHANGED or
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They just didn’t need them anymore in that role. So what we need now is diversified skills and you need to build a diversified set of skills.
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So you can evolve with the market and that’s rarely is that given through formal education, a part of that might come through formal education, but most of that comes through experience.
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And so a lot of life is all about confidence. Um, do I have confidence in the P my leaders do I have confidence in the system, which I’m working. Do I have confidence in the company that I’m working for you. I have confidence in myself and my own ideas.
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And so when you take that same kind of confidence idea and apply it to real life will communication becomes one of the key skills.
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The mindset becomes one of the key skills, your ability to retain information. So our colleges and are these different universities that are doing this validation process, keeping up with those narratives
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And so my fear here. Sean is that as soon as they lose that confidence in society.
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Is that the narrative actually changes quite a bit and the people that have paid all this money have all these student loans are actually in a disadvantage.
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Compared to their counterparts, that just went straight into the workforce, or are highly motivated and read 50 books on a subject and went in and just surprised somebody with their breadth of knowledge.
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Are go went and worked directly under an expert that they really looked up to like say
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What a great way to learn guys you you want to go do something and then you find the thought leaders on Twitter, on Facebook, you find us.
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And all of a sudden you start communicating and working with us. And you say, wow, I’m learning more every single day.
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And I’m being challenged, because this isn’t like my syllabus life isn’t a syllabus. Guys, it’s not that you’re going to say, hey, and week one we’re going to do this. And when we to, you’ve got to make on the fly decisions.
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You’re changing you’re moving your things kind of morphine in real time. So,
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You know, be prepared for that change. You cannot sit in the comfortability and say well for the next six months. I’m going to be in this classroom and
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You know, I’m going to do these tasks and everything’s perfectly aligned and that’s how I expect to live my life. No, you need to find your own schedule, you’re going to have to change that schedule, you’re gonna have to work harder than you’ve ever worked on. Just be prepared for that.
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Yeah, exactly. I mean, a lot of hard work to gain the knowledge and education and you have to connect the dots. And I think that’s a big lesson in the future is
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Everybody has to do their own connecting. We used to be able to rely on other people to connect the dots for us. And that’s because we were in an assembly line.
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With the assembly line being broken down right you know the assembly to create the finished product in the market doesn’t want the finished product that a lot of educational institution or boy we got connected dots.
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Yep, absolutely. And you got to find your own teachers and your own mentors and you know that’s the whole idea of these voices. I mean, just what you just did. Sean, I mean, you went and you found
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That some of the people that you talk about a lot to me. I mean, these are people that you’re passionate about that are leaders that you have been following for 20 years and now you have a direct path to them.
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You’re seeing them you’re imitating them and then not only that but you’re growing from them. So you’re augmenting something that already exists into something better.
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You know the classrooms don’t really allow that.
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The classroom say hey you took this task, you’re done you you didn’t augment beyond this test, you didn’t go write the test, you know, the next stages you wrote the text for the next students to take. I mean,
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This is not the same test every year the same papers. Well guess what, it’s easy to cheat them standard is it makes cheating. Easy. It makes critical thinking dead.
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So we need to be a society of free thinkers critical thinkers, you got to think through like deep issues and problems because what we’re realizing now is
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Things that we’ve been taught the wrong. They’re absolutely wrong. And so if you’re not willing to accept that and go relearn
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Then you’re lost. And so we need to find you. We need to bring you back up to speed, get you passionate and at worst case like you can never lose hope. You must hope for everything. Move forward push forward. But where is that you know spark. It’s in a learning. It’s not in the validation
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Right. And in the real world. There’s a lot of lot of times there’s no answers. You know, and that’s just the truth. So, folks, our goal is to wake people up, get you thinking about big things, you know, this is important.
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Education is a gamble and we don’t talk about that investing in education is a gamble. It’s a business decision, like every other
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And we need to look at it as such. So, you know, those of you have young ones that might be going to school soon raising the next generation.
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Thinking about going back to school that education as an investment need to do our analysis, including the risk of that investment will it pay off will not pay off and work through it that way.
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The mainstream educational institution doesn’t want people talking about this, we do because we think it’s important that everybody be informed that what they’re what they’re going through.
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Maybe I’ll comment about this. We have a comment contest going on with love to see your comments there crop them below.
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And we’ll be reading through those best come to the week gets invited on the show. I would love to hear from you.
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You can reach me as Dr. Sean on LinkedIn on Twitter I actual transaction future economy YouTube channel will have
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We remind you we don’t do investment advice and legal advice on the show everything we teach you here through education, go talk to your advisors Dolly, it’s time to the quote of the day.
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Yay, Sean. Hey, and last closing note, I’m going to give you guys the education you need, and that is, go find problems in society and fix them. The bigger the problem, the bigger the payday.
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The quote today is I try to put myself in a mental state of, how do I learn from defeat. How do I learn from that loss.
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And that comes from the most famous basketball player of all time. LeBron James So even the best of the best like
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These guys aren’t in classrooms learning their learning on the course they’re learning from our mentors, they’re learning from their trainers are learning from their fans. So just get out there and do what you’re going to do, and you will learn naturally
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Fantastic books graduation and doing the hard work to stay current
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Thanks, Sean, you’re welcome. You’re broke, guys. We’ll see you tomorrow 7am 10am 2pm later today, actually.
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And that’s it.
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