Will AI Bring a Collective Conscious to Society?
AI brings big changes with it.
Will it change how we function as a society?Will AI Bring a Collective Conscious to Society?
Join The Our Shawn and Dali Kranzthor for the Financial Transactions of the Future Economy(TM) Show as we explore what we are seeing and what we need for the future.
In the know technology buff Wes Williams joins us to share his insights.
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Hey everyone, I see our Sean, welcome to another edition of the financial transactions of the future economy today we’ll be talking about AI and the collective consciousness so
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This is something that comes up is, you know, he is such a universal thing and it has a possibility of implementing rules that apply across all of society.
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And because of that, you have to think in this collective way. So we’re going to talk about collective consciousness, how we all interrelate with each other and how AI plays into that.
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For those who don’t. Who knows, often I’m Dr. Sean I’m a corporate lawyer by training I help you with everything the ownership and control their business.
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Mergers partnership agreements capital raise contract negotiations also do consulting and speaking on business strategy work.
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I’m a CPA, my co host dolly craft store is a fellow CPA acts as a CFO of companies. He’s also a CPA certified evaluation. I don’t see if he Certified Fraud examiner
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West Wales has jumped in with us here at the last minute, and he is a attorney as well. And he looks a lot of different issues he understands the coming of blockchain technology application.
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So we roped him in today to add to our conversation on AI.
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Like you know
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I’m you. Okay. Good to be here. Yes. Cool.
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Less is one of our favorite guests.
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For my attire. Today I would, I didn’t
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Know we were up to, at the last minute, as I told everybody so you get you get
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Your free pass but
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The mind power still there, and I apologize for my attire, as always.
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Always got to do business differently.
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jacket on. People don’t know what to expect. So dolly interesting topic right AI a collective consciousness, you know the the connection of human wisdom and the integration. What do you think about that.
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Well, this is a great topic, Sean, because what this is like the Uber role of society is that we can actually interact at a level that’s even beyond where we’re interacting now so we’re talking about like democratizing consciousness in a way
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So that everybody can participate, that, you know, right now, we’ve been in a mass low type hierarchy system where you’ve got your lower level, they are working their way up to this self realization
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This aligned consciousness is kind of the idea that we all get to this high level self awareness.
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And we have tools education to
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Participate and we really aren’t trying to keep anybody below it on. So there are a lot of people out there that do have these conspiracy theories that people are being trying to get down and you know information isn’t shared and
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You know, so that knowledge that is able to lift up the human spirit could come alive and well with this movement to create, you know, this is bigger consciousness movement.
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Yeah. But the flip side is dolly unless you want to jump in on this a little bit is, you know, the other side of AI is we have the chance for the 1984 police state right so
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AI run a muck without checks and balances essentially will enforce all the rules completely and that means we’re going to have a police state where everybody’s going to be subject to absolute control my absolute rules.
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Yeah, neither. I have my I have my own and they may be compared to three but Yaki I like I there’s very little bit interested in the concept of artificial intelligence and intersecting with blockchain the blockchain. In my opinion, I think that where
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Accelerate. And really, you know, this whole idea of the singularity, I think, you know, and I don’t know when that whatever happened, but I think
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If you put a on a walk in and read it one wild on the internet. I think at that point in time, they’re going, hey, I will become so powerful to be able to stop it.
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And I think ultimately and that whole conspiracy theory about, you know, AI kind of becoming a God like super intelligent being, I think, technically possible. And then really, I know how far out but
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I mean, I think people like you and mark and didn’t
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Really think about it. I think there’s something to that, you know, if you don’t really kind of control it. Maybe some very powerful. You can go and at some point, we may have to become part of this AI question for again in some way, otherwise it would create a scenario where you have
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You either. What kind of like that. Now we’re all selected people who are outside of that system can really benefit from that system, but there’s going to be a separate device.
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And we’re going to have to. You can’t be want to be in. Am I going to go all in on AI automatically without fighting the system.
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You may not be able to benefit from
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Yeah, you know what, and the question is to, you know, and that’s something you know Dolly, and I were finishing up our book on artificial intelligence and one of the chapters talks about that.
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Would affect how effectively, could you elect out of an AI system right i mean it’s AI, you know, controls the country controls the land.
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How do you effectively opt out of an AI system. Right. And even if you wanted to go live somewhere else.
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You know, at least on our current legal system, you’re gonna have to pay property taxes which means you’re gonna have to get some cryptocurrency which means you’re going to have to transact back into the system. So unless we come up with some kind of new.
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Systems or new new legal standards or new carve out for non AI. It’s going to take over. I mean, it’s like her. I talks about in sapiens.
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You know, when people started moving into farming, you could still be a hunter gatherer but suddenly now all the good land for hunting and gathering was gone.
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You could still be a hunter gatherer but effectively you struggled to be a hunter gatherers. So everybody got forced
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Into the next technology and this has happened several times in human history. And it seems like the path is painted with AI that
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If you don’t come along, you’re going to get overrun by this right the financial systems and the jobs and the transportation networks. Everything else can be connected to AI.
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So unless we as humans, say, hey, we want to give people an option not being part of this will carve out part of the planet for them unless we take those kinds of proactive measures, I think everybody’s gonna be in
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We think though.
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I totally agree with you, Sean. As soon as we go to a digital currency, it’ll be almost impossible to opt out of
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The mainstream on right now. People can opt out using cash. You see, go back to 2017 at the very beginning, I believe it was January when India basically just shut down anything over 100 rupees. That’s equivalent to about a $10 bill.
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So they went to a total digital currency. That’s because they want everybody off the end that they don’t want them in the black market which historically, they’ve been
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The same thing has happened in China. So, we expect that the US will want to do the same exact thing. And also, it brings taxes in, you know, to the US government. It gets controls. It gives regulators, the ability to have
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full transparency and everything. So I think this is the path forward, um,
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I don’t know that they’re about it except public blockchain so public blockchain is kind of come to the Savior and say, well, you know, at least we can, we might be to have to be part of a system, but maybe we don’t have to be part of a sovereign citizen, right.
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But you’re still there. I mean, even there, even with a public blockchain.
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Is some point you have to have a computer, you’re gonna have to let electricity, you’re going to have to have inner connections to the national system or international or whatever extraterritorial system it is
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In order to interface with it right, unless we do something special, everybody’s going to be over here on blockchain. And you’re going to have, you’re going to have to go into blockchain to get recognized there right so
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What renewable energy, Sean, maybe you know off the grid. If you could tie all that into a
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Public blockchain with what they call the case snark so that’s created zero knowledge proofs and private transactions between individuals.
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The other safety here is there’s two 3000 of these out there. So as more and more happen, they’ll become obscure. So the expectation isn’t some of them will fall off the radar.
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May be supported fully with renewable energies, but I think that is a huge, very important to the cyberpunk out there because they’ve been fighting for this movement sense you know forever. And now, here we go. And the government’s going to control everything.
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Right, you’re going to have to you have to separate out territory still right because
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Right now in our current system. If you said hey you know and I met some folks in Phoenix that we’re going to do this, they were going to go live separately. They didn’t like Blockchain didn’t like AI.
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So they’re setting up a compound. But even if they live there for some time at some point they got pay property taxes.
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The government, which means I gotta come back into the system unless we kind of somehow say this piece of land is not governed by the same standards as the rest of the world or rest of the country or whatever the body is
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Yep. That makes a lot of sense. And just for the audience for the first time ever we have a taxable transaction when paying taxes in Ohio with Bitcoin
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So if you pay
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Your taxes with bitcoin, you might have a capital gains that will trigger another tax so
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They didn’t have
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paying your taxes triggers tax love it. That’s good.
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So about that. Do I mean come on, you know, I think at some point, we gotta, we gotta look at another legal justification for for crypto currency.
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Potentially as a currency and not necessarily, you know, property right. I don’t know how that’s gonna play out here in the US, but you guys will get this going up.
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Yeah, we’ve been following it, you’re writing a property classification with the IRS is quite clunky, you know, because it you know because it triggers the recording a basis when you buy cryptocurrency
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Recognizing of a game you sell it, it creates a ton of recording and record keeping requirements, I guess, theoretically, in the future, maybe that will be better.
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As we move into a fully blockchain worlds, all that stuff will be recorded as you go and it will be there, it’ll be easy to access. But right now it’s very disorganized and her present a systems.
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And I think for some ways we do want to treat cryptocurrency like money. So it’s interchangeable like money we’re having, we have issues with the UCC because of the classification. So there’s a lot of
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Legal updates that are going to be needed to make cryptocurrency really work. And that’s, that’s part of the issue right as as this stuff becomes more and more universal as we talk about AI with collective consciousness which is our theme.
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What do you do when you have technology that that becomes universal and here we’re talking about very powerful technology, which basically says, you know, if everybody starts using it, then the people that are stragglers you’re gonna get forced along
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That’s the thing, too. I mean with with AI because
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Its price, it will bring everybody together to bring about the collective toxic and you can have
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You know entities.
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Or material knowledge then make it up on that, and it is literally think circles around everybody figure out the best solution for everything.
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We did with the with the very youngest one world society will we all kind of
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Come together fashion.
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Single Currency, we have essentially kind of going down that well i don’t think that I’m not a
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Conspiracy theory and a guy, but that’s what I do.
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Well you know I think Vladimir Putin would agree with you. I mean, I mean he’s already said, the person who controls AI controls the world. And I think what I think what Putin.
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And I think other people theorize and probably correctly. And I would go in this camp myself is whoever comes up with the best AI, you know, a really strong AI.
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You know, you’ll have some point have a battle of the AI, you know, you know, who systems better who can produce more, you know, at some point you’re going to these things go head to head either physically or electronically.
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And the better AI may win and it may effectively take control of the whole global computing system. I think that’s a very likely outcome unless we build safeguards in and nobody’s talking about building those safeguards right now.
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So unless we unless we do something intentional. Now, I think we are going to have a battle of the AI, the best AI or the strongest day and maybe not the best, but the strongest day I will win.
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In a winner take all scenario and then everybody will be subjected to it because there won’t be a real out unless we now modern day act to build carve outs and build an alternate system.
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Yep. Yeah, Sean. And on that point to, you know, humans and computers work really well together.
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In the sense that humans memory remember everything forever. Humans can’t remember anything or computers, remember everything
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So I have a I think we’re going to keep growing with this. I’m actually quite bullish on AI. And so, Ray Kurzweil says 2029 we did singularity. I think this benefits the human race.
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I think guys like Ilan putting the safeguards in early is really important and giving us the ability to do stuff. We had a guest, the other day.
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Who talked about everybody having their own AI. And so then you have extra control so that maybe you can control your own you know avatars, your own simulations, etc. So almost everybody like what we talked
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About with a cell phone. We now have the power of every computer that ever existed in the 1980s, say, or the 1970s.
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Well, potentially with AI will have the same power as Amazon has today yet Amazon will be a much bigger maybe an interplanetary species.
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I also think it’s really important from the long game if we are going to solve climate control and make sure that we all survive another hundred 200 years
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AI can help us get there. They can help us solve the problems they can help run the simulations. They can also help us get to Mars quicker.
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They can help us send rockets. They can help us ensure that the human race is not subject to one rock that spinning and space that we can start distributing and then
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They talk about a crazy thought is that if we were ever encountered by aliens or the Star Trek world and may be out there having an AI assistant to assist us with understanding maybe weapons that may be coming to us that are beyond our abilities.
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Could actually save us you know saying two 300 years down the road.
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Yes. I mean, I think that’s all very important stuff. And I think it’s good. I mean, of course, the other side of that is you know you have everything collected up in that AI.
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You know, which means it’s got all the power. And what if, and we need to this, the ethical side of it.
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You know, the AI we tell the AI, you know, and climate change, because you know we don’t like it. And if we don’t put boundaries on it and the climate change without killing humans.
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Hey, I may just go and and climate change, because we told it to and you laugh, but who is the who’s the safeguard for all the population for global society.
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That saying what the boundaries are right because of an AI given machine you given instructions.
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And anybody that’s program probably knows this. I did some programming back in high school and a little bit in college.
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You tell the program to do something, it goes and does it right and if you put it in a loop because you had a bad piece of code. It just runs in a loop because that’s what you told it to do.
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Do you tell your AI to go in climate change and it says, oh, let’s kill a couple billion people, because in climate change will slow down.
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I i think i think the fake goes, we couldn’t play football. We need to get to that point we’re working on. Yeah, I think we control everything and determine the fate of humanity.
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Different healthy thing for me, the biggest thing.
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When are we, you know, are we the ones who are on the planet may think that moving quickly as we leave the planet, right.
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By the I
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You know, we, we’ve taken control the planet. Right. There’s no doubt, humans are the dominant species we control the planet.
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We have no we have no problem, killing these if they start to come into our house or ants if they start to infest us or mice.
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Right, we say, look, this is our territory. We own it, we do it right so
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A fully cognizant AI that’s running a system that does some point that they say this is ours. We’re taking care of it. And we don’t like these, you know, intruders Dr appt our systems and try to, you know, cause problems with the planet that were
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Shown on a crazy. Let’s get conspiracy theorists, a little bit here just for fun.
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We talked about the black budget. We talked about these trillions of dollars that are out there getting spent. So what if
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What if we already are being led by AI that they’ve already advanced so far and your computers, they just haven’t told society. And it’s actually a hidden components somewhere deep
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Within the system and the computers are that advanced and we don’t know for sure. So if you go back to the 1960s.
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They weren’t able to do computer processing 35 years ahead of where we were all the way in the 80s or something like that and some ridiculous number and
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And you know, we kept the stealth bomber, even though we could have used it in a couple scenarios we kept it completely secret. There’s another group out there that says
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You know, bitcoin could be cracked by a quantum computer. So there’s a lot of thoughts out there that say, Well, why wouldn’t if that can be cracked and the government has that quantum computer which we think you probably do. But why wouldn’t they crack
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They wouldn’t want to show their cars. They don’t want to show their hand and so
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There is a big question here, how much how farther advanced is the government than the rest of tech and the rest of what we know because depending on where that is. We might be a lot closer to AI than we think.
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Yeah, I think that’s a great point. And I think, you know, we’ve talked. We’ve talked on the show to about the idea that, you know, the government
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Having surveillance spies information has been a very valuable thing in history right world history has off internal information so
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You know, I think the world governments probably are doing very big information collection schemes where that inflammation going, How’s the news, who knows everything was, yeah.
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You guys and let us down the global conspiracy theory. I got my own
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But from a bigger level i mean i i love researching this stuff and it’s I think it’s really fun to speculate, but I think we could be an
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Outrageous good enough to be living in a matrix already because you’re free.
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To say that
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hasn’t gone down the road.
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God that we could be living with
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Virtually real and working with diamond. He said, a super, super AI eventually down the road isn’t going to create its own entity with its own being, that can grow and evolve and it actually
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comes all the way down. I do, but it’s
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Possible, you must. So on that, on that area and you know so folks, you know, our goal on the show is to wake you up. And if you’re not woke up after watching this episode, I don’t know what will wake you up.
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Society needs to come together that’s that’s been something a theme of our show.
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Is we need to have deep conversations about what the future is and how do we value human life and what do we want him in life to look like and
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What options. We want to get people that don’t want to be in the same system. So they are, these are conversations, we need to have
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That we don’t see happening very often. And so we encourage you to be part of that conversation.
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West let folks know how to get ahold of you.
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Yeah, I’m definitely on the
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Back, you know, LinkedIn, Twitter online, you know, big book.
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Yeah. You can also find them on the financial transactions.
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The future economy.
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You will see a past episodes, including west on them at future done right.com dot a, you know, quote, for us.
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I do Sean and real quick. If you on Musk is out there listening to this, come on the show. We want to talk to you about this simulation stuff.
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You’ve got to stop thinking of consciousness is your own you’re only thinking for yourself when you were by yourself as soon as you’re in the presence of others, your consciousness is linked at some level to those others.
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And that’s by James and rosoff so I think it happens naturally Sean, whether we use AI or, you know, just people were connected species and we’re constantly sharing that consciousness, just like we’re doing with our audience right now. Well,
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Well, communications, the basis of our species rights zooming back to some of our earlier notes today on some of the earlier episodes.
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You know, communication is what made humans, what we are. It’s why we got to the domination of a planet. It’s what separates us. And so we’re always communicating, whether we think about it or not. And we’re all connected with each other.
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We just need to figure out what we want that connection to look like. And what’s best for our society. And that’s the conversation that I haven’t seen happening enough
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Alright folks what pat you on the back for thinking about it. So I want to give you a thank you for jumping in at the last minute. Joining us making the show a little more interesting.
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You know, Dolly over there helping out but everybody watching, thanks for doing it. Let your friends know what to remind you past episodes and upcoming episodes can be seen it future going right calm can also join our mailing list to get updates and get some notes.
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So thank you everybody for joining us today as a lot of fun.
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Thanks, Sean. Thanks was given broker. Good work, guys.
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7am Eastern local get broken in Dallas. Dallas. I get
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Backwards. Yeah, the other way.
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